"If the players can’t learn to put their egos aside and look again toward building upward, then all is lost". I don't know if words alone can express how much I agree with this.
I am left with a big question though, maybe tough to answer in comments, but do you see a way out of this cycle of boom and bust? Of renaissance and dark ages? Have you seen any other case where this seemingly inevitable end has been avoided? Are there anyways you can think of for building towards this unity?
I'll be transparent and acknowledge that I'm fairly young and a bit of a newjack when it comes to "real" core stuff. Albeit, genuinely trying my best to appreciate and participate in the scene more. It's been real disheartening to watch this happen, though I do see it as more a "back to the dark ages" situation than "its so joever frick this scene im out".
P.S. - I really appreciate you taking the time to articulate your thoughts in a public forum. It can be hard to find good sources otherwise apart from just talking to friends.
I don't have all the answers and I won't pretend to. Speaking from my own experiences, I think people need to start being more honest with each other and recognize the dangers in irony. So many people are on the same page but are too hesitant to talk openly. Criticism isn't the end of the world and nuance does exist. You can always DM me if you want to discuss this further.
This is a really well thought out description of how it feels to try to do music in orlando, all new things are originally great for the art form, until new people hijack and make a joke out of it. No one has a problem with you moshing, we just think it’s embarrassing when you’re moshing (and using props and running mosh pages online and moshing to the quiet parts of songs) to be popular online or to adhere to some aesthetic you don’t actually commit to. The cult-like perspective of people who spend time at the spot shows itself when people begin denying the fucked up stuff that happened there to save face. That being said this was a great read and i’m glad someone said the stuff we all have been thinking about for a while.
I’m fairly new hardcore scene so I want to learn more and go to more shows this summer. Last show I went to was in August. Subsequently, it was the SPOT. I’ve attended two of their shows, and it was pretty fun. My main concern was with how many minors were at the show who were clearly trying to act older than they were, they lacked proper supervision, I worried for their mental and physical well being. You said it best when you described it as “children who don’t know they’re children and adults who don’t know they’re adults intermingle…” I was honestly concerned for them. Another issue I had was the hard-ass concert floor. I wished there was some type of padding. Falling hurt badly, but I took it like a champ and went back in the pit since it was fun. You mentioned the “memeification,” which I agree is more harm than goodbecause although it does introduce more people to the scene who truly connect with it, it does also bring about “clip farming,” which is people doing outlandish things for the sake of content. I have to somewhat disagree with prop=lame. At both SPOT shows people brought, inflatable, large boxing gloves, and every threw a thin plastic trash can. This added some extra fun to the pit IMO and I really enjoyed it. I find that props could definitely be a good addition if they’re pool-like. However, when people throw hard furniture and even dumbbells, that clearly becomes a problem and makes props shunned upon. When people deliberately go out of their way to cause as much damage to others, whether it be with props or not, it’s not fun. During one of the SPOT shows, there was a crowd killer who clearly just wanted to hurt people. As a result, others started to gang up on him. They didn’t cause him any actual harm, rather it was to signal “keep doing this, and there will be consequences,” which I really liked. Like I previously mentioned, I haven’t been to one of their shows since August, so I’m sure they’ve probably gotten worse since this isn’t the first time recently, that I’ve heard bad things about them. I still do want to go to more shows this summer and learn more about the culture. So any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
So you don't like violent dancing, and when people who do like violent dancing set up a space where they can do that, you bitch about it? I think you're the one that doesn't get it. Hardcore is a spectrum, and every niche isn't for everyone. Don't like violent dancing? Don't go to a venue that specifically caters that that crowd. This isn't rocket science you dummy.
You complained about a show at an MMA gym getting violent, you complained, in your words, "anything goes," wrongly claiming that underage kids were buying beer(never happened), you're complaining just for the sake of complaining without offering anything (in your *opinion*) to make things better. I've been involved in Orlando hardcore for the past 25 years, I've never seen you around. Instead of lashing out at everyone who has had fun at the SPOT for the past 2 years, maybe you should look in the mirror, because out of all of your complaining it seems like you are the problem here.
What's the point in discussing anything? You're spreading blatant lies about a venue where everyone was welcome and no one was judged. You're not interested in discussion, you're just trying to slag a venue because reasons? Fuck off nerd.
Why are you afraid of public discussion? I have nothing to hide with the things that I have to say.
I've been going to SPOT since the first show there. No one was selling kids alcohol you nerd. You might not be taking shots at individuals, but you are taking shots at a completely DIY venue, that was opened out of the love for the music and the scene. No one was making money off of the SPOT. Why don't you share with us specifically what your problem is instead of making up new bullshit terms like "Othercore(whatever the fuck that means)."
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent article were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Stuff like this has been happening in the Orlando scene for longer than you've probably been alive. I've personally been seeing shows in Orlando since the mid 80's & our band still plays numerous venues in Orlando, including the SPOT. I've NEVER encouraged people to intentionally hurt others, I've NEVER had to call people out of their names by using misogynistic slurs, & I've NEVER had to use a P.E. coach style MOSH Call to make people move. Hardcore is ever changing & ever evolving & this scene violence isn't new especially in Orlando. Orlando is a hub that bands from all over the planet come to & come through, this gives Orlando & surrounding areas an amazing opportunity to see bands that most others will never get to experience. As a person who has played in a Positive Hardcore band for longer than most kids have even been alive I truly believe that there are by far better aspects of the Orlando Scene that would make an amazing article. The Monday night show at Will's Pub with Combust was packed, shows that Montgomery Drive puts on with bands just starting out are packed, shows at church parking lots are full of kids. But as I've stated for years I'm in a positive hardcore band who's constantly been basically swimming upstream in a scene of Metal sounding bands with Violent Derogatory MOSH Calls hoping to make kids intentionally hurt one another & use props while Moshing. But this is your platform & you can use it as you wish, I've always taken pride in my self & our band as being different in a sea of people who go with the flow & the crowd & I will continue to be & we will continue to play shows at venues where hardcore bands are welcomed no matter if it's the new hotness or "cool place to be" there's plenty of bands who you may claim "don't get it" or may not be the new social media sensation but that doesn't mean that they don't necessarily get it just because they are different from you & your crew of friends or go against the grain of "popular" hardcore band styles.
Today's hardcore has so many sub-genres Beatdown, Metal-core, Nu-Metal, Youth Crew, Striaght-Edge, Doom-Metal, Old school, Math-Metal, Technical Metal, Jud-Jud, posi-core, sludge-core, Swamp-Core- fuck I could go on for ever but just because all these different genres exist in no way means that these people don't have a clue. I believe that the Orlando area has always been cut throat & because people have the chance to see almost every band imaginable & local bands have the opportunity to not only link up & play with these bands but also have opportunities to play with & possibly tour with these same bands make Orlando an exciting play to play with, see, & experience all kinds of bands people in other parts of the country will never experience.
All I'm basically trying to say is that there's so many amazing positive things that always happen in Orlando that it should be easy to write articles about the greatness Orlando has to offer & this article seems like a deliberate diss to a place were we had some fun shows where kids came our to sing along & stage dive during out set then when other bands played people got smashed with traffic cones or trash cans but lumping everyone into a "THOSE GUYS DON'T GET IT" whomever went to or played a venue you don't like isn't doing ANYTHING positive for the scene IMO. As I said it's your article your site.you can write anything you wish, but in my opinion (that really doesn't mean shit) I feel like this could be an amazing platform to acknowledge & display the greatness of the Orlando scene instead of focusing on the drama, the IG accounts & posts that have gone viral because of hard moshing is another phase of hardcore that will eventually disappear & die out the same way as the Circle Pit, the creepy crawl, the wall of death, & the dog pile did & no one will ever notice. I will continue to try my hardest to be a positive influence on others & our scene & I'm only encouraging you to use your platform in a similar manner & maybe you feel as if spreading this information is doing just that & if so that's on you, but I fell as if we may be accidently lumped into something negative when all we did was play at a venue & promote postive hardcore to the local scene & that's where I have a problem.
This is the exact type of discourse I was hoping to spark with my article. Thank you. I really appreciate your comment. The fact of the matter is that my opinion is not a niche one, but our culture has grown self righteous and fearful of criticism. At the end of the day, these are just my opinions. I’ve received an overwhelming amount of support, but the very vocal few who disagree have done nothing to engage with the conversation and only care to throw insults or make wild assumptions of my character.
Obviously you do not agree with my conclusions and that’s completely fine. All I can ask for are open minds and respectful dialogues. People have taken my distaste for The SPOT (a place I’ve bit my tongue about since its inception) as a personal attack on its employees or owner, which was not my intent. I’ve maintained, to my understanding, a professional relationship with The SPOT, but I’m still entitled to my opinions on the culture the venue cultivates. Notice I did not use any of my music or booking platforms to promote my writing; these words are my own.
Regardless, I didn’t think of my article as a diss toward a venue. A diss toward the characters who continually make it difficult for hardcore to exist, sure, I guess. I view SPOT as more a symptom of the “meme-ification” culture I described. If it’s not SPOT, it’ll be another place. I don’t fault the venue for being a product of its time and place.
Again, thank you. If you want to further discuss, my DMs are open.
It's not your conclusions I had a disagreement with it was the negativity, plain & simple. I thought I had made that abundantly clear in my comment.
I feel it's a disservice to our scene that content creators who repost mosh clips have more followers than the bands who are in the actual videos.
I repeatedly stated that this is your platform & you can use it as you wish, but realize that now that others feel you have personally called out the spot & bands who have played there then those people are also entitled to their opinions on you, your article, you street cred, your band, your persona, & your platform which are all under attack in my feed, as well as attacks on the spot & other typical scene drama from all over.
I personally could care less about scene drama & the negativity, or if people have a personal vendetta against the spot & don't want to attend the shows they put on. There's some People in Tampa who believe the brass mug is run by Nazis so they don't attend shows put on by Elevated Booking are they wrong about this information? Yes 100%, do their friends tell them they shouldn't go & keep spreading misinformation? Yes they are does it matter? Nope they still have shows people still attend & people Still see some of their favorite bands & have incredible experiences seeing shows of bands they love.
Nobody is fearful of criticism In our scene the problem is the negativity, there are very few positive influences in the hardcore scene nowadays. The Youth Crew & Straight Edge bands are very few & far between & today's popular.bands are more Beatdown & more Metal sounding, these are just facts. Those genres are popular & the popularity of seeing these hard ass mosh clips of people getting slammed with objects are popular for a reason. My band isn't like that, we don't promote that type of behavior, but we have played numerous times at the Spot, so then why should we (a positive hardcore band) be lumped into some drama because we played a show at a venue that people have decided not to support?
All I tried to relay is that Orlando has always had a plethora of bands, venues, booking agents, & shows & most of then are safe spaces with security, doormen, & bouncers, the spot was the one venue (besides possibly uncle Lou's) that didn't have these things & was on the outskirts of town, outside of the metropolitan safe places. I'm not implying that the Orlando scene is full of spoiled rotten kids, but let's not act as if Orlando people don't get opportunities to see much more musical acts than 98% of the rest of the entire state & this can definitely lead to an elitist mentality. All I know is we as a band & as people have had many opportunities in Orlando to play with amazing bands (we're playing Sat with Murphy's Law again) meet amazing people, play great shows & great venues & haven't had to burn bridges or talk bad about others along the way, we are very fortunate to still be considered by people booking shows & bands & fans to be relevant enough to still play shows with new & old bands at bigger & smaller venues. I just know that there's more going on in the Orlando scene than to resort to a negative article about such a positive place In my opinion. We have a lot of freinds in Orlando, (we perfomed in longwood yesterday to over 500 people for a city event & our bassist my wife perfoms music & is a cultural embasadore for Polynesia at Disney) & we have played some amazing shows over the past 28years with amazing bands & its kind-of sad to see this much negativity & I really don't feel as if promoting it does ANYTHING positive for our scene & it gives a bad look to the city beautiful known as Orlando. But hey it's your platform & your opinions & you are free to post them all you wish...
You're a young kid, new to the scene.... that just "doesn't get it" himself which is hilarious to me..... I've been around hardcore in Florida since 2001 and people like YOU specifically are who we don't need in the scene my dude. Good riddence.
"If the players can’t learn to put their egos aside and look again toward building upward, then all is lost". I don't know if words alone can express how much I agree with this.
I am left with a big question though, maybe tough to answer in comments, but do you see a way out of this cycle of boom and bust? Of renaissance and dark ages? Have you seen any other case where this seemingly inevitable end has been avoided? Are there anyways you can think of for building towards this unity?
I'll be transparent and acknowledge that I'm fairly young and a bit of a newjack when it comes to "real" core stuff. Albeit, genuinely trying my best to appreciate and participate in the scene more. It's been real disheartening to watch this happen, though I do see it as more a "back to the dark ages" situation than "its so joever frick this scene im out".
P.S. - I really appreciate you taking the time to articulate your thoughts in a public forum. It can be hard to find good sources otherwise apart from just talking to friends.
I don't have all the answers and I won't pretend to. Speaking from my own experiences, I think people need to start being more honest with each other and recognize the dangers in irony. So many people are on the same page but are too hesitant to talk openly. Criticism isn't the end of the world and nuance does exist. You can always DM me if you want to discuss this further.
This is a really well thought out description of how it feels to try to do music in orlando, all new things are originally great for the art form, until new people hijack and make a joke out of it. No one has a problem with you moshing, we just think it’s embarrassing when you’re moshing (and using props and running mosh pages online and moshing to the quiet parts of songs) to be popular online or to adhere to some aesthetic you don’t actually commit to. The cult-like perspective of people who spend time at the spot shows itself when people begin denying the fucked up stuff that happened there to save face. That being said this was a great read and i’m glad someone said the stuff we all have been thinking about for a while.
I’m fairly new hardcore scene so I want to learn more and go to more shows this summer. Last show I went to was in August. Subsequently, it was the SPOT. I’ve attended two of their shows, and it was pretty fun. My main concern was with how many minors were at the show who were clearly trying to act older than they were, they lacked proper supervision, I worried for their mental and physical well being. You said it best when you described it as “children who don’t know they’re children and adults who don’t know they’re adults intermingle…” I was honestly concerned for them. Another issue I had was the hard-ass concert floor. I wished there was some type of padding. Falling hurt badly, but I took it like a champ and went back in the pit since it was fun. You mentioned the “memeification,” which I agree is more harm than goodbecause although it does introduce more people to the scene who truly connect with it, it does also bring about “clip farming,” which is people doing outlandish things for the sake of content. I have to somewhat disagree with prop=lame. At both SPOT shows people brought, inflatable, large boxing gloves, and every threw a thin plastic trash can. This added some extra fun to the pit IMO and I really enjoyed it. I find that props could definitely be a good addition if they’re pool-like. However, when people throw hard furniture and even dumbbells, that clearly becomes a problem and makes props shunned upon. When people deliberately go out of their way to cause as much damage to others, whether it be with props or not, it’s not fun. During one of the SPOT shows, there was a crowd killer who clearly just wanted to hurt people. As a result, others started to gang up on him. They didn’t cause him any actual harm, rather it was to signal “keep doing this, and there will be consequences,” which I really liked. Like I previously mentioned, I haven’t been to one of their shows since August, so I’m sure they’ve probably gotten worse since this isn’t the first time recently, that I’ve heard bad things about them. I still do want to go to more shows this summer and learn more about the culture. So any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Come to Grid Iron at Will’s on 05/18. Might be your first hardcore show.
So you don't like violent dancing, and when people who do like violent dancing set up a space where they can do that, you bitch about it? I think you're the one that doesn't get it. Hardcore is a spectrum, and every niche isn't for everyone. Don't like violent dancing? Don't go to a venue that specifically caters that that crowd. This isn't rocket science you dummy.
When did I ever say I don’t like violent dancing? I said using props is lame. That’s not even remotely a hot take.
You complained about a show at an MMA gym getting violent, you complained, in your words, "anything goes," wrongly claiming that underage kids were buying beer(never happened), you're complaining just for the sake of complaining without offering anything (in your *opinion*) to make things better. I've been involved in Orlando hardcore for the past 25 years, I've never seen you around. Instead of lashing out at everyone who has had fun at the SPOT for the past 2 years, maybe you should look in the mirror, because out of all of your complaining it seems like you are the problem here.
Being weary of showgoers throwing dumbbells is not the same as complaining about violent dancing. Feel free to DM if you want to discuss
What's the point in discussing anything? You're spreading blatant lies about a venue where everyone was welcome and no one was judged. You're not interested in discussion, you're just trying to slag a venue because reasons? Fuck off nerd.
I didn’t lie about any thing.
If that’s your position, then so be it. I’m not taking shots at any specific individuals. If you come around to it, my DMs will stay open.
Why are you afraid of public discussion? I have nothing to hide with the things that I have to say.
I've been going to SPOT since the first show there. No one was selling kids alcohol you nerd. You might not be taking shots at individuals, but you are taking shots at a completely DIY venue, that was opened out of the love for the music and the scene. No one was making money off of the SPOT. Why don't you share with us specifically what your problem is instead of making up new bullshit terms like "Othercore(whatever the fuck that means)."
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent article were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This was a lot to read. Where in South Florida are you from?? West Coast, I'm assuming??
The Orlando Problem is gonna fuck your ex girlfriend, cuck boi.
Stuff like this has been happening in the Orlando scene for longer than you've probably been alive. I've personally been seeing shows in Orlando since the mid 80's & our band still plays numerous venues in Orlando, including the SPOT. I've NEVER encouraged people to intentionally hurt others, I've NEVER had to call people out of their names by using misogynistic slurs, & I've NEVER had to use a P.E. coach style MOSH Call to make people move. Hardcore is ever changing & ever evolving & this scene violence isn't new especially in Orlando. Orlando is a hub that bands from all over the planet come to & come through, this gives Orlando & surrounding areas an amazing opportunity to see bands that most others will never get to experience. As a person who has played in a Positive Hardcore band for longer than most kids have even been alive I truly believe that there are by far better aspects of the Orlando Scene that would make an amazing article. The Monday night show at Will's Pub with Combust was packed, shows that Montgomery Drive puts on with bands just starting out are packed, shows at church parking lots are full of kids. But as I've stated for years I'm in a positive hardcore band who's constantly been basically swimming upstream in a scene of Metal sounding bands with Violent Derogatory MOSH Calls hoping to make kids intentionally hurt one another & use props while Moshing. But this is your platform & you can use it as you wish, I've always taken pride in my self & our band as being different in a sea of people who go with the flow & the crowd & I will continue to be & we will continue to play shows at venues where hardcore bands are welcomed no matter if it's the new hotness or "cool place to be" there's plenty of bands who you may claim "don't get it" or may not be the new social media sensation but that doesn't mean that they don't necessarily get it just because they are different from you & your crew of friends or go against the grain of "popular" hardcore band styles.
Today's hardcore has so many sub-genres Beatdown, Metal-core, Nu-Metal, Youth Crew, Striaght-Edge, Doom-Metal, Old school, Math-Metal, Technical Metal, Jud-Jud, posi-core, sludge-core, Swamp-Core- fuck I could go on for ever but just because all these different genres exist in no way means that these people don't have a clue. I believe that the Orlando area has always been cut throat & because people have the chance to see almost every band imaginable & local bands have the opportunity to not only link up & play with these bands but also have opportunities to play with & possibly tour with these same bands make Orlando an exciting play to play with, see, & experience all kinds of bands people in other parts of the country will never experience.
All I'm basically trying to say is that there's so many amazing positive things that always happen in Orlando that it should be easy to write articles about the greatness Orlando has to offer & this article seems like a deliberate diss to a place were we had some fun shows where kids came our to sing along & stage dive during out set then when other bands played people got smashed with traffic cones or trash cans but lumping everyone into a "THOSE GUYS DON'T GET IT" whomever went to or played a venue you don't like isn't doing ANYTHING positive for the scene IMO. As I said it's your article your site.you can write anything you wish, but in my opinion (that really doesn't mean shit) I feel like this could be an amazing platform to acknowledge & display the greatness of the Orlando scene instead of focusing on the drama, the IG accounts & posts that have gone viral because of hard moshing is another phase of hardcore that will eventually disappear & die out the same way as the Circle Pit, the creepy crawl, the wall of death, & the dog pile did & no one will ever notice. I will continue to try my hardest to be a positive influence on others & our scene & I'm only encouraging you to use your platform in a similar manner & maybe you feel as if spreading this information is doing just that & if so that's on you, but I fell as if we may be accidently lumped into something negative when all we did was play at a venue & promote postive hardcore to the local scene & that's where I have a problem.
This is the exact type of discourse I was hoping to spark with my article. Thank you. I really appreciate your comment. The fact of the matter is that my opinion is not a niche one, but our culture has grown self righteous and fearful of criticism. At the end of the day, these are just my opinions. I’ve received an overwhelming amount of support, but the very vocal few who disagree have done nothing to engage with the conversation and only care to throw insults or make wild assumptions of my character.
Obviously you do not agree with my conclusions and that’s completely fine. All I can ask for are open minds and respectful dialogues. People have taken my distaste for The SPOT (a place I’ve bit my tongue about since its inception) as a personal attack on its employees or owner, which was not my intent. I’ve maintained, to my understanding, a professional relationship with The SPOT, but I’m still entitled to my opinions on the culture the venue cultivates. Notice I did not use any of my music or booking platforms to promote my writing; these words are my own.
Regardless, I didn’t think of my article as a diss toward a venue. A diss toward the characters who continually make it difficult for hardcore to exist, sure, I guess. I view SPOT as more a symptom of the “meme-ification” culture I described. If it’s not SPOT, it’ll be another place. I don’t fault the venue for being a product of its time and place.
Again, thank you. If you want to further discuss, my DMs are open.
It's not your conclusions I had a disagreement with it was the negativity, plain & simple. I thought I had made that abundantly clear in my comment.
I feel it's a disservice to our scene that content creators who repost mosh clips have more followers than the bands who are in the actual videos.
I repeatedly stated that this is your platform & you can use it as you wish, but realize that now that others feel you have personally called out the spot & bands who have played there then those people are also entitled to their opinions on you, your article, you street cred, your band, your persona, & your platform which are all under attack in my feed, as well as attacks on the spot & other typical scene drama from all over.
I personally could care less about scene drama & the negativity, or if people have a personal vendetta against the spot & don't want to attend the shows they put on. There's some People in Tampa who believe the brass mug is run by Nazis so they don't attend shows put on by Elevated Booking are they wrong about this information? Yes 100%, do their friends tell them they shouldn't go & keep spreading misinformation? Yes they are does it matter? Nope they still have shows people still attend & people Still see some of their favorite bands & have incredible experiences seeing shows of bands they love.
Nobody is fearful of criticism In our scene the problem is the negativity, there are very few positive influences in the hardcore scene nowadays. The Youth Crew & Straight Edge bands are very few & far between & today's popular.bands are more Beatdown & more Metal sounding, these are just facts. Those genres are popular & the popularity of seeing these hard ass mosh clips of people getting slammed with objects are popular for a reason. My band isn't like that, we don't promote that type of behavior, but we have played numerous times at the Spot, so then why should we (a positive hardcore band) be lumped into some drama because we played a show at a venue that people have decided not to support?
All I tried to relay is that Orlando has always had a plethora of bands, venues, booking agents, & shows & most of then are safe spaces with security, doormen, & bouncers, the spot was the one venue (besides possibly uncle Lou's) that didn't have these things & was on the outskirts of town, outside of the metropolitan safe places. I'm not implying that the Orlando scene is full of spoiled rotten kids, but let's not act as if Orlando people don't get opportunities to see much more musical acts than 98% of the rest of the entire state & this can definitely lead to an elitist mentality. All I know is we as a band & as people have had many opportunities in Orlando to play with amazing bands (we're playing Sat with Murphy's Law again) meet amazing people, play great shows & great venues & haven't had to burn bridges or talk bad about others along the way, we are very fortunate to still be considered by people booking shows & bands & fans to be relevant enough to still play shows with new & old bands at bigger & smaller venues. I just know that there's more going on in the Orlando scene than to resort to a negative article about such a positive place In my opinion. We have a lot of freinds in Orlando, (we perfomed in longwood yesterday to over 500 people for a city event & our bassist my wife perfoms music & is a cultural embasadore for Polynesia at Disney) & we have played some amazing shows over the past 28years with amazing bands & its kind-of sad to see this much negativity & I really don't feel as if promoting it does ANYTHING positive for our scene & it gives a bad look to the city beautiful known as Orlando. But hey it's your platform & your opinions & you are free to post them all you wish...
You're a young kid, new to the scene.... that just "doesn't get it" himself which is hilarious to me..... I've been around hardcore in Florida since 2001 and people like YOU specifically are who we don't need in the scene my dude. Good riddence.
I’ve been going to hc shows for 14 years. Feel free to DM if you want to further discuss.
Shut the fuck up you bitch ass nerd. You’re not Orlando hardcore and never were and clearly don’t know shit. Grow up retard
Shut the fuck up you bitch ass nerd. You’re not Orlando hardcore and never were and clearly don’t know shit. Grow up retard
Shut the fuck up you bitch ass nerd. You’re not Orlando hardcore and never were and clearly don’t know shit. Grow up retard
This is some straight up dweeb shit. Stay out of our scene you crybaby bitch. You clearly have no grasp of what hardcore is supposed to be about.